Thank you
@ryan_m for taking the time to write all this info and yes you have helped a lot. The two ARF's that I have one is PrecisionAerobatics plane Addiction XL and the second is from aeroworks Pro 260. Nobody in our club does 3D so I am on my own have to teach myself. There is only 6 of us in the club, i belive the nearest club that does 3D is at least 2 hours drive. The suggestion on throws was great because I was going to start out at reduced throws and work my way up into it. I will look into EF 60 inch electric plane. When you say harrier flying you fly down the runway nose up at least 45 degrees and control it for a distance. Thanks again.
The Addiction XL is an excellent plane to learn with. No need for the EF Edge if you have that. The only thing with the Addictions are that they are SO light that hovering them is almost like cheating and when you try to fly something else it's a bit of a learning curve to get used to a plane with a heavier wing loading. The Aeroworks... I have a buddy with one, and I've never found any love for that plane. I came up learning on profile planes, and I do like those. But the Aeroworks one, well not so much. I'd focus on the Addiction personally. Get really comfortable with it and get lower and lower. It's honestly way easier to hover a plane at 10 feet high than at 30. I know it sounds crazy, but it is. You can see what's happening with the plane when it's that low. But work on the harriers, back and forth down the runway with nice smooth turns. Then doing figure 8's. When you can do those nicely, find a day where the wind is a crosswind across the runway and blowing into your face. Do a harrier into the wind, and the plane will basically be doing a hover, the harrier is stationary. Then you can get your hovering down solid... for me it just 'clicked' on a day like that and I was able to hover easily after that. All the harrier work gets your fingers used to recovering the plane quickly when you are down low like that. Which allows you to work the hovers down lower and lower too.
And yes, a harrier is just flying nose high, around 45 degrees. Wing stalled and flying the plane forward slowly. Turn by using rudder *gently* and then using ailerons to keep the wings level. It will get you used to controlling all the various aspects of the plane simultaneously. And it's also the exact same stick moves you use in hovers. Only the recovery is way easier, relax elevator pressure, throttle up and fly out.
