Extreme Flight Owners Thread

[wedoitall]

So what's the deal with AW beating EF to the 30cc Laser :-(. What's up Chris? Let's go man. I've been giving pulls on the 60" to the "senior" members and a couple are going for it. What's not to like? I tone it way down, give them a pull then demonstrate where it can take them. I end with a nice gliding landing and "sold"! Sells itself really.

I've flown a few AW planes, big gassers. They didn't fly nearly as good as my 48" EF planes let alone the 60's.

 

[dth7]

I've flown a few AW planes, big gassers. They didn't fly nearly as good as my 48" EF planes let alone the 60's.

That's what I've heard too. I've only flown the 72" glow Yak. It was "OK" but I watched the owner deal with several "issues", namely weak gear box. Not trashing AW, they obviously perform and are popular with many but these EF airframes are right on the money right now. Chris n Co. Should strike while its hot. Just sayin.
I've been "begging/ urging/ asking" for an EF 78 size Laser or MX-R We have nice power plants in that size now with the VV40 twin, DLE 35R. I would think and hope the DA 35 will be out in 2014. So let's GO EF!

 

[cwojcik]

The EF Lasers are part of the EXP series. This means that significant liberties are taken during the design phase to achieve the absolute best flying airplane possible. In full scale there were quite a few different versions of the Laser, which was based on the Stephens' Acro. There was the Z200, the higher performance Z300, and the twin seat Z2300. These are all actually still available as homebuilt kits and there are quite a few out there. The Laser EXP is a blend of all the Lasers out there with the canopy of the earlier versions and the streamlined cowl of Leo Loudenslager's version. The planform and wing shape are totally stretched to give the best performance...as a result the plane is almost square. The full scale laser has a huge wing and short fuselage, on the other hand. The AW is not an EXP airplane and as a result it is closer to a scale outline. Instead of a blend of all Lasers, it is a specific model...the Z200. The tail surfaces are flat, and the planform is closer to scale, with a 64" length and 76" span. So even though they are both Lasers they serve different markets IMO.

 

[gyro]

The EF Lasers are part of the EXP series. This means that significant liberties are taken during the design phase to achieve the absolute best flying airplane possible. In full scale there were quite a few different versions of the Laser, which was based on the Stephens' Acro. There was the Z200, the higher performance Z300, and the twin seat Z2300. These are all actually still available as homebuilt kits and there are quite a few out there. The Laser EXP is a blend of all the Lasers out there with the canopy of the earlier versions and the streamlined cowl of Leo Loudenslager's version. The planform and wing shape are totally stretched to give the best performance...as a result the plane is almost square. The full scale laser has a huge wing and short fuselage, on the other hand. The AW is not an EXP airplane and as a result it is closer to a scale outline. Instead of a blend of all Lasers, it is a specific model...the Z200. The tail surfaces are flat, and the planform is closer to scale, with a 64" length and 76" span. So even though they are both Lasers they serve different markets IMO.

Very well put Cody.

 

[dth7]

The EF Lasers are part of the EXP series. This means that significant liberties are taken during the design phase to achieve the absolute best flying airplane possible. In full scale there were quite a few different versions of the Laser, which was based on the Stephens' Acro. There was the Z200, the higher performance Z300, and the twin seat Z2300. These are all actually still available as homebuilt kits and there are quite a few out there. The Laser EXP is a blend of all the Lasers out there with the canopy of the earlier versions and the streamlined cowl of Leo Loudenslager's version. The planform and wing shape are totally stretched to give the best performance...as a result the plane is almost square. The full scale laser has a huge wing and short fuselage, on the other hand. The AW is not an EXP airplane and as a result it is closer to a scale outline. Instead of a blend of all Lasers, it is a specific model...the Z200. The tail surfaces are flat, and the planform is closer to scale, with a 64" length and 76" span. So even though they are both Lasers they serve different markets IMO.

I hear ya and realize that a close to spot on perfect all around performer does not happen overnight or even close to it. I guess I'm looking for a bone here! Is there talk of anything in the 78"/ 30-35 CC size to suit "this" market? I can't imagine there is not a big demand even so soon after the release of the 60". The design really is amazing and huge kudos to the team. They have come up with an airframe that would satisfy the budding sport Acro pilot and circle flyer all the way to the most insane Extreme Acro and 3 D pilot looking for a practice and HUCK machine. I was "demoing" for some of the guys today doing simple power off glides to touchdown in 20-25 mph gusts and it was on rails to landing. Then takeoff and crankshaft the living daylights out of it. Just an amazing range with no apparent bad habits.

 

[Enterprise]

I know EFs are all made in one factory, and that there is only so much through put and to get the design right takes time. Chris just went to China to do his annual R and D time at the factory and I would guess prototypes will show up over the winter and we might see whatever new stuff there is by SEFF in April. The 78 MXS (electric) is my guess at what is "next" to come out. I would guess a larger Laser and a mid size Yak are somewhere in the que. They sell a ton of 48s and 60s, so these sizes will get the new models.

The 91 yak is their giant scale entry of late and a new 110 yak has been hinted at in a year or so.

This is all just conjecture, based on nothing but reading posts from EF people and trends.

 

[cwojcik]

All very reasonable assumptions and based on info that's already out there and real. I remember reading not long ago people asking when the 97 MXS was coming out LOL.

 

[wedoitall]

All very reasonable assumptions and based on info that's already out there and real. I remember reading not long ago people asking when the 97 MXS was coming out LOL.

LOL............

I love both my 48 and 64 MXS but after flying over 100 flights on my laser I would love for priority to go to making a larger scale version. If it's possible to copy same flight character as the 60", I could see it being a favorite with both 3d and IMAC fans.

 

[dth7]

I know EFs are all made in one factory, and that there is only so much through put and to get the design right takes time. Chris just went to China to do his annual R and D time at the factory and I would guess prototypes will show up over the winter and we might see whatever new stuff there is by SEFF in April. The 78 MXS (electric) is my guess at what is "next" to come out. I would guess a larger Laser and a mid size Yak are somewhere in the que. They sell a ton of 48s and 60s, so these sizes will get the new models.

The 91 yak is their giant scale entry of late and a new 110 yak has been hinted at in a year or so.

This is all just conjecture, based on nothing but reading posts from EF people and trends.

I have to agree Matt. I am truly blown away by the quality and performance of that Laser. The entire EF line (IMO) has set the bar pretty high.

 

[dth7]

LOL............

I love both my 48 and 64 MXS but after flying over 100 flights on my laser I would love for priority to go to making a larger scale version. If it's possible to copy same flight character as the 60", I could see it being a favorite with both 3d and IMAC fans.

Amen brother!