Reza has been here for a week and he's already giving stuff away! RED LINE OIL!
- Thread starter SleepyC
- Start date
Robbins
Team WTFO (Watch The Fun Occur)
I didnt see anyone comparing the two. Must be in a different league or niche?
Robbins
Team WTFO (Watch The Fun Occur)
Hey dude, i hear that alot.... NOT!
I remember when i started flying i watched all your videos, heli stuff too. Youre an inspiration. So cool to be chatting with you.
N-O-V8-R
50cc
While we are on the subject of oils, I see a lot of questions regarding "Ratios".
Please remember two things:
1.) When you reduce your oil consumption, (Ex.: going from 30:1 to 100:1) you are also reducing the amount of detergents exposed to the moving parts of the engine. This is also a part of the oil that makes it more expensive. Use it to your advantage.
2.) When you reduce your oil consumption, (Ex.: going from 30:1 to 100:1) you are also "richening" the mixture.
Lot of people have this backwards. Remember the opposite it true, also. Going from a "properly" tuned motor at 100:1, and going down to 30:1, thinking you're going to do something nice for your motor, might actually be doing more harm.
Redline can be run at 100:1, just like Amsoil, but why would you do it. For our low RPM motors the HP gains are minuscule.
I'll admit, I used Amsoil Sabre 100:1 in my younger years, ever since it first came out (before Redline Karting Oil).
It was the best thing, next to sliced bread, if you know what I mean.
Having worked in a small engine shop early on, we knew we had to re-tune for it, and we did, and had good results.
Here are my thoughts on the Amsoil situation some people are seeing with their aircraft motors.
Referring back to #1 & #2 above:
My guess, and this is just a guess, is that most who have tried to run Amsoil, was previously using another brand, at say 30:1 to 50: 1.
They heard there was an oil out there that can be run at 100:1 and the motor will have more HP and run cleaner.
We all want that, right? Oh, and reducing our oil consumption in half, save you money, a Win - Win - Win, right?!?
Here is what I think happened next; They mixed up their next jug of fuel at 100:1, didn't re-tune, noted that the engine ran just as cool (a "Rich" motor usually does), and went home feeling great about saving a few bucks, too.
Couple years later, after running a "Too Rich" motor, and reducing by volume, 50% of the available detergents, the motor now has carbon and soot built up everywhere. The "Richness" just added to the carbon fouling, and the reduction in fluid volume/detergent made it impossible for the oil to keep up (self-clean).
Once again, just a guess, right!
When someone asks me whether to run 40: or 50:1, I ask them the following questions:
1). You looking for more HP?
Ans: You probably won't be able to see it, or feel it.
2.) You looking for less mess?
Ans: You probably won't see a difference. There is only .16 oz difference in a typical 32oz tank.
3.) You don't like all that "black crude"?
Ans: You prefer suit and carbon? When you see black, it means the engine is self-cleaning.
Or, you can just run at 20:1, then it will turn pinkish
)
4.) You must like calculating mixing ratio's and measuring (aka: You must got "one-ub-dem-thar" Smart Phones thingy's)?
Ans: Just dump a 16oz. bottle in a 5 gal jug and leave the measuring beaker at home, so we have more time to FLY.
Please remember two things:
1.) When you reduce your oil consumption, (Ex.: going from 30:1 to 100:1) you are also reducing the amount of detergents exposed to the moving parts of the engine. This is also a part of the oil that makes it more expensive. Use it to your advantage.
2.) When you reduce your oil consumption, (Ex.: going from 30:1 to 100:1) you are also "richening" the mixture.
Lot of people have this backwards. Remember the opposite it true, also. Going from a "properly" tuned motor at 100:1, and going down to 30:1, thinking you're going to do something nice for your motor, might actually be doing more harm.
Redline can be run at 100:1, just like Amsoil, but why would you do it. For our low RPM motors the HP gains are minuscule.
I'll admit, I used Amsoil Sabre 100:1 in my younger years, ever since it first came out (before Redline Karting Oil).
It was the best thing, next to sliced bread, if you know what I mean.
Having worked in a small engine shop early on, we knew we had to re-tune for it, and we did, and had good results.
Here are my thoughts on the Amsoil situation some people are seeing with their aircraft motors.
Referring back to #1 & #2 above:
My guess, and this is just a guess, is that most who have tried to run Amsoil, was previously using another brand, at say 30:1 to 50: 1.
They heard there was an oil out there that can be run at 100:1 and the motor will have more HP and run cleaner.
We all want that, right? Oh, and reducing our oil consumption in half, save you money, a Win - Win - Win, right?!?
Here is what I think happened next; They mixed up their next jug of fuel at 100:1, didn't re-tune, noted that the engine ran just as cool (a "Rich" motor usually does), and went home feeling great about saving a few bucks, too.
Couple years later, after running a "Too Rich" motor, and reducing by volume, 50% of the available detergents, the motor now has carbon and soot built up everywhere. The "Richness" just added to the carbon fouling, and the reduction in fluid volume/detergent made it impossible for the oil to keep up (self-clean).
Once again, just a guess, right!
When someone asks me whether to run 40: or 50:1, I ask them the following questions:
1). You looking for more HP?
Ans: You probably won't be able to see it, or feel it.
2.) You looking for less mess?
Ans: You probably won't see a difference. There is only .16 oz difference in a typical 32oz tank.
3.) You don't like all that "black crude"?
Ans: You prefer suit and carbon? When you see black, it means the engine is self-cleaning.
Or, you can just run at 20:1, then it will turn pinkish
)4.) You must like calculating mixing ratio's and measuring (aka: You must got "one-ub-dem-thar" Smart Phones thingy's)?
Ans: Just dump a 16oz. bottle in a 5 gal jug and leave the measuring beaker at home, so we have more time to FLY.
N-OV8R,
All great points. Just wanted to point out after many conversations I had with Cameron, it seems that what sets Red Line apart besides investing in high quality raw material is the detergency formula and material they have in their Two-Stroke Racing Oil. You are absolutely correct that Red Line can be run at 100 to 1 as well but, then you'll lose that good detergency and perhaps lessen the lubrication. Now other Oil brands may not have the kinda detergency in their products and running more oil may not result in a better, cleaner engine, case and point the picture I posted.
Thanks for all the good points and I also couldn't agree more that running less oil in our application doesn't add squat of power. But engine definitely needs retuning because cooling also is carried out by fuel itself and when having higher content of oil you'll have less fuel. Oil really doesn't play a role in cooling by itself however results of better lubrication is less heat generated due to less wear and friction when engine gets really hot.
All great points. Just wanted to point out after many conversations I had with Cameron, it seems that what sets Red Line apart besides investing in high quality raw material is the detergency formula and material they have in their Two-Stroke Racing Oil. You are absolutely correct that Red Line can be run at 100 to 1 as well but, then you'll lose that good detergency and perhaps lessen the lubrication. Now other Oil brands may not have the kinda detergency in their products and running more oil may not result in a better, cleaner engine, case and point the picture I posted.
Thanks for all the good points and I also couldn't agree more that running less oil in our application doesn't add squat of power. But engine definitely needs retuning because cooling also is carried out by fuel itself and when having higher content of oil you'll have less fuel. Oil really doesn't play a role in cooling by itself however results of better lubrication is less heat generated due to less wear and friction when engine gets really hot.
Last edited:
I buy my stuff from cycle gear. All my BMW and KTM Red Line Oil for tranny and engine and my dirt/street bike gear as well. Really like the store eventhough they are small. Built brand 5 year warranty no questions asked is awesome too.
boggintuff
50cc
have you all seen the video where dave johnson from DA says it is ok to use redline oil at 40 to 1 or 50 to 1.
The easy thing, 5 gallons of gasoline mix with one 16 ounce bottle of 2 stroke redline oil = 40 to 1.
If you want to do 50 to 1, then you will have to use the beaker deal.
Ok, i just wanted to say that being that I want a chance at winning some free oil!!!
The easy thing, 5 gallons of gasoline mix with one 16 ounce bottle of 2 stroke redline oil = 40 to 1.
If you want to do 50 to 1, then you will have to use the beaker deal.
Ok, i just wanted to say that being that I want a chance at winning some free oil!!!