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Alert! The FAA want's you out of the NAS!!!

Discussion in 'Giant / Scale RC General Discussions' started by acerc, Dec 27, 2019.

  1. acerc

    acerc 640cc Uber Pimp

  2. acerc

    acerc 640cc Uber Pimp

    "The FAA is proposing to accept applications for FAA-recognized identification areas
    within 12 calendar months of the effective date of a final rule. At the end of that 12-month
    period, no new applications for FAA-recognized identification areas would be accepted. After
    that date, the number of FAA-recognized identification areas could therefore only remain the
    same or decrease. Over time, the FAA anticipates that most UAS without remote identification
    will reach the end of their useful lives or be phased out. As these numbers dwindle, and as
    compliance with remote identification requirements becomes cheaper and easier, the number of
    UAS that need to operate only at FAA-recognized identification areas would likely drop
  3. AKNick

    AKNick 150cc

    I need to read the document in it's entirety.... Like the last few... The FAA weblink says they want our input.... Input they shall get.
    How sad, either this minority is not loud enough, or our advocate cares more about their sustainability and integration than ours.
  4. acerc

    acerc 640cc Uber Pimp

    This minority is not capable of binding together, everyone has a slight difference of opinion and are not willing to see others.
    The only way we would have a chance would be if we banded together for the common cause, gathered ourselves in Washington with an airplane and demonstrated through protest in front of them, on their street. Many of other minority groups have done just this with great success but it will not happen with model aircraft as most just want to sit behind a keyboard, or at the field, and complain.
    Last edited: Dec 27, 2019
  5. WMcNabb

    WMcNabb 150cc

    TN, USA
    I haven’t made it through all 319 pages, so I’ll add comments as I progress.

    Problem #1:
    “The FAA proposes to revise the registration requirements to require all owners of unmanned aircraft to register each unmanned aircraft individually when registering under part 48.”

    Today, a certificate is issued to model aircraft owners and covers “all” models, not “each”, registered under 48.100(b).

    Problem #2:
    “For purposes of this proposed rule, a “limited remote identification UAS” is a UAS that: (1) is designed and produced to restrict operation to no more than 400 feet from its control station;”

    Note the use of 400 feet from its CONTROL STATION. Implies horizontal and vertical distance, not altitude only.

    Problem #3:
    “From takeoff to landing, the limited remote identification UAS connects to the internet and transmits the required remote identification message elements through that internet connection to a Remote ID USS.”

    Implies investment in additional equipment. Nothing I have connects to the internet today. Perhaps the new iX series of transmitters from Spektrum do, but I’m not aware of them doing this while actually flying.

    Problem #4:
    “An area would be eligible for establishment as an FAA-recognized identification area if it is a flying site that has been established within the programming of a community based organization recognized by the Administrator.”

    Alternative to Problem #3 above - implies that an AMA site is the only option, and that the site actually applies to be FAA-recognized.

    Problem #5:
    “This proposed rule would result in additional costs for persons responsible for the production of UAS, owners and operators of registered unmanned aircraft, community based organizations, Remote ID USS, and the FAA. This proposal would provide cost savings for the FAA and law enforcement resulting from a reduction in hours and associated costs expended investigating UAS incidents.”

    Implies the math actually works. Reading through the pages so far, the requirements placed on the manufacturers, owners and operators requires substantial investment. All of this will eventually fall on the operators, in terms of prices for equipment which is capable of meeting the newly mandated requirements. Even if I decide to fly my current equipment from a club field, which is FAA-recognized, at some point in time, I will buy new gear. That gear will definitely be impacted and costs increased when this new rule is implemented. At $50 per hour, a total of 20,000 hours must be saved for break even on each $1,000,000 invested. I’m not sure that’s realistic.
    Last edited: Dec 27, 2019

  6. Snoopy1

    Snoopy1 640cc Uber Pimp

    Wow cannot believe the amount of trouble you guys have to go through with the FAA. Are they bored or to many employees it seems like this has been going on for a long time and somebody keeps moving the goal posts. Glad I am up in Canada but not good any way because if the hobby dies in the states it will take us down as well we get everything from the states one way or another.
    pawnshopmike and JimH like this.
  7. tailskid

    tailskid 70cc twin V2

    Just another power grab by the government.....
  8. Bill Newton

    Bill Newton New to GSN!

    Hi guys, It makes very interesting reading...I agree that it seems very heavy handed...but down under we have a situation where the drone flyers are just doing what they want. Given there are always a few idiots in any pack..it appears that from my own personal point of view...having let the horses out of the yard its going to be the only way to control the idiots. Much like Jet skis down here...a few idiots led to a seperate licencing scheme and much heavier survelliance.
    As pointed out they are asking for comments from you guys .....my input to this is that its a forewarning for us down under as we usually follow you guys with our legislation.

    Thanks for the really good forums I have had some great tips and information..from the posts...although not too sure that we have the winter conditions that some of you fly under.

    Bill N
  9. Welcome to GSN. :welcome:
  10. Bartman

    Bartman Defender of the Noob!

    hey guys, for what it's worth, it isn't the government that wants us out of the airspace, after all it's not the FAA that stands to profit from the low altitude airspace that we occupy with our flying clubs.

    it's the corporations that want us out so they can get in. it's the corporations that want to use drones for all kinds of jobs that we humans are currently doing and flying clubs will clutter up their low altitude drone airways. we'll be in their way.

    so if you think government should serve the corporations and let the corporations dictate what freedom means for the average person, then let that be what guides you when you vote because that's what it's all about, voting.

    if you think that the government should be for and by the people, as it was intended, then let that guide you when you vote and elect people that understand that corporations are not people, corporations shouldn't be allowed to spend unlimited amounts of money to influence elections, and corporations should contribute to the betterment of society by producing high quality goods and services, by employing individuals and by paying taxes. Corporations have no business influencing elections and manipulating the people that we elect just so the corporations can become more powerful.

    the FAA can't fight back the corporations that are trying to take our airspace if the people that run the government are hell bent on giving it to them. so send your comments to the FAA but keep in mind if you get emotional they'll ignore you. they might dial back some of what is in the NPRM but there are very well funded groups trying to move us out of their way so it's important that we all send in something no matter how basic it is.

    thanks for reading.

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