Putting the Scale back in Scale Aerobatics

[WMcNabb]

Earle, that Pitts is SHARP!! What are its specs?

 

[Pistolera]

Earle, that Pitts is SHARP!! What are its specs?

Thanks! Easiest just to post the link to another thread here where I explained about it.

Cool old school planes?? (Scroll down to post #65)

 

[WMcNabb]

Thanks! Easiest just to post the link to another thread here where I explained about it.

Cool old school planes?? (Scroll down to post #65)

Thanks!

 

[ExtraJohn]

I thought IMAC was about scale. Was disapointed to see a lot of over powered 3D planes.

I would rather do scale.

 

[-Rick-]

I thought IMAC was about scale. Was disapointed to see a lot of over powered 3D planes.

I would rather do scale.

That's the nice part about this hobby, we can all do our own thing...

 

[sweetpea]

Sorry, but as a CD for many IMAC contests this idea will never work.

Just look at all the "judging" threads there already are about how biased it is for regions etc. Look at the threads about the 10% rule which most planes barely fit the mold for. Then look at the threads about deductions for a "life-like 3-D pilot and how that should never determine the winner. And now you want to make it even more scale with standoff inspections?

The IMAC crowd isn't into "Scale". If you want to fly "Scale" simply go to the Scale Masters contests, you can fly any type of scale plane you want and you have inspections and scale flying.

 

[Jlc]

Hi Guys..... Just dropping in to make a few comments..... Fortunately, there HAS to be someone who can put a reality check in the loop. Being a past President for the last 4 years I can verify that MANY ideas come and go. Some are used and some are passed over as being unrealistic.

If you read past the third paragraph, then I know you are truly interested and have the WILL POWER to be involved into making things happen rather than coming up with ideas and not being prepared to DO THE WORK that is required to make the idea become a reality.

IMAC will be a 41 year old organization (started in 1974) come April (Toledo Show) and there have been many changes since it's inception, including:
Affiliation with the IAC. (1976)
IMAC and the TOC adopted the Aresti system. (1978)
Affiliation with AMA and named as the SIG for Scale Aerobatics (1980)
Chapter affiliation worldwide, developed the (2%) biplane bonus (1982)
Flying and Judging Video created (Carter/Eich) (1986)
Adobe graphics created for IMAC (Chris Walsh) (1993)
IMAC membership records computerized (Allan Young) (1994)
Newsletter goes on IMAC website (2000)
Mini-Mac introduced
Intermediate Class introduced
IMAC National Instructor's training introduced (2002)
Comprehensive Rule Book make-over w/ graphics (2002)
National Sound Task Force introduced
IMAC Sequence Committee introduced
IMAC Rules Committee introduced
IMAC new website created (2009)
IMAC SCORE! program introduced
IMAC Regional Points System introduced (National)
IMAC Seniors Points System introduced (National)
IMAC Education Committee introduced
IMAC On-line Judging School introduced
IMAC's FIRST World Championship held in Muncie IN (USA) (89 pilots from 13 countries participated) 2014
IMAC International World Competition Committee introduced

There were many more items that could be added above but in the name of expediency, they were left out..... If you are still with me...then we can continue. The above just goes to show that the development of IMAC is NOT stagnant but steadily progressive.

The idea that SCALE judging should be added to IMAC is one that WILL take many hours of research, development, specific rules (not harum scarum) and particularly MANPOWER, to get off the ground. At present, IMAC has ALWAYS had judging issues and had introduced a series of Judging Schools, nationally, to get everyone understanding, flying and judging from the same criteria. At that time there were regional interpretations of the rulebook and became more apparent when the various pilots from the 6 regions met up in competition (NATS/TAS/Don Lowe Masters/Clover Creek) etc.

So.... to get this off the ground..... YOU have to start working on the development and go to the IMAC BOD with a SOLID PROPOSAL of how it all can work with everything all laid out. Do NOT expect someone else to do ALL THIS WORK FOR YOU, after you have come up with the idea. Life just does not work that way. No on one the IMAC BOD gets paid.... it is all voluntary....

So..... again.... get all your ducks in a row.... use the relevant RFA Form (Request for Action) and then have a meeting with the BOD to get it all started. If you are NOT prepared to go through all of that....why do you think the BOD will do so?

You could always do some research in your particular area and request the CD at your contest to consider it and make the rules ....and give it a test run..... You MAY be surprised at the reaction of all the competing pilots at the contest (one way or the other).
Wayne

I thought this was a great post. I think the people interested should see how much local interest there is. Like Wayne said might be surprising one way or the other.

Hi Guys..... Just dropping in to make a few comments..... Fortunately, there HAS to be someone who can put a reality check in the loop. Being a past President for the last 4 years I can verify that MANY ideas come and go. Some are used and some are passed over as being unrealistic.

If you read past the third paragraph, then I know you are truly interested and have the WILL POWER to be involved into making things happen rather than coming up with ideas and not being prepared to DO THE WORK that is required to make the idea become a reality.

IMAC will be a 41 year old organization (started in 1974) come April (Toledo Show) and there have been many changes since it's inception, including:
Affiliation with the IAC. (1976)
IMAC and the TOC adopted the Aresti system. (1978)
Affiliation with AMA and named as the SIG for Scale Aerobatics (1980)
Chapter affiliation worldwide, developed the (2%) biplane bonus (1982)
Flying and Judging Video created (Carter/Eich) (1986)
Adobe graphics created for IMAC (Chris Walsh) (1993)
IMAC membership records computerized (Allan Young) (1994)
Newsletter goes on IMAC website (2000)
Mini-Mac introduced
Intermediate Class introduced
IMAC National Instructor's training introduced (2002)
Comprehensive Rule Book make-over w/ graphics (2002)
National Sound Task Force introduced
IMAC Sequence Committee introduced
IMAC Rules Committee introduced
IMAC new website created (2009)
IMAC SCORE! program introduced
IMAC Regional Points System introduced (National)
IMAC Seniors Points System introduced (National)
IMAC Education Committee introduced
IMAC On-line Judging School introduced
IMAC's FIRST World Championship held in Muncie IN (USA) (89 pilots from 13 countries participated) 2014
IMAC International World Competition Committee introduced

There were many more items that could be added above but in the name of expediency, they were left out..... If you are still with me...then we can continue. The above just goes to show that the development of IMAC is NOT stagnant but steadily progressive.

The idea that SCALE judging should be added to IMAC is one that WILL take many hours of research, development, specific rules (not harum scarum) and particularly MANPOWER, to get off the ground. At present, IMAC has ALWAYS had judging issues and had introduced a series of Judging Schools, nationally, to get everyone understanding, flying and judging from the same criteria. At that time there were regional interpretations of the rulebook and became more apparent when the various pilots from the 6 regions met up in competition (NATS/TAS/Don Lowe Masters/Clover Creek) etc.

So.... to get this off the ground..... YOU have to start working on the development and go to the IMAC BOD with a SOLID PROPOSAL of how it all can work with everything all laid out. Do NOT expect someone else to do ALL THIS WORK FOR YOU, after you have come up with the idea. Life just does not work that way. No on one the IMAC BOD gets paid.... it is all voluntary....

So..... again.... get all your ducks in a row.... use the relevant RFA Form (Request for Action) and then have a meeting with the BOD to get it all started. If you are NOT prepared to go through all of that....why do you think the BOD will do so?

You could always do some research in your particular area and request the CD at your contest to consider it and make the rules ....and give it a test run..... You MAY be surprised at the reaction of all the competing pilots at the contest (one way or the other).
Wayne

Thanks for taking the time to post this. I'm curious to see how much local interest there is also.

 

[Silver Fox]

Earle, this site is PG-13! Nothing so sexy should be shown in public!

@Silver Fox regarding judging schools, have you ever considered teaming up with IAC and running one judging school? it's a dot in the sky after all, full scale or models, the criteria should be the same, no? IAC also have issues fielding judges so maybe there's enough common ground to make discussing it worthwhile?

If this idea takes hold I'd love to field my 89" Spinks Akromaster!

Hey there... as Earle has already mentioned..... the criteria differs significantly, regarding wind correction in IAC as compared to IMAC.

However, both organizations have had renewed contact and last year (2014) IMAC was invited by the IAC to put on a seminar at the EAA Oshkosh event. We did take advantage of it and had Tom Wheeler (past President) and Will Berninger (past VP) representing our organization with a very nice seminar outlining what our organization does.

We also have had "closed door" contact regarding the same matter you have mentioned above. With a new President at the IAC (Mike Heuer) who likes what we do, you may see some serious developments not heard of before. You can take a look an my year end report for IMAC just before leaving office. At the second to last paragraph, I gave a short synopsis of what may be happening in the future. PREZ REPORT.
Hope it all works out.
Wayne

 

[Pistolera]

Sorry, but as a CD for many IMAC contests this idea will never work.

Just look at all the "judging" threads there already are about how biased it is for regions etc. Look at the threads about the 10% rule which most planes barely fit the mold for. Then look at the threads about deductions for a "life-like 3-D pilot and how that should never determine the winner. And now you want to make it even more scale with standoff inspections?

The IMAC crowd isn't into "Scale". If you want to fly "Scale" simply go to the Scale Masters contests, you can fly any type of scale plane you want and you have inspections and scale flying.

All valid points Sweetpea....although there are some of us IMAC nuts who are into "Scale" as well. Yes, the Scale Masters, Nat's, Top Gun already exist...but I think this discussion (at least in my eyes) is for throwing out some ideas about possibly creating an additional area of interest within the IMAC community & with IMAC flying/judging criteria.

 

[sweetpea]

I'm a fan of Scale as well and like IMAC. As the CD I always enforced the Pilot figure rule. Even when I had a couple contestants loose to margins that had I not had the rule they would of won (they didn't have a pilot figure). The 10% rule though is harder to enforce......planes like the Carden Sukhoi/H9 sukhoi and airwild Sukhoi but right up against that 10% rule. The rule states its the competitors responsibility to prove it, but this is hard to do. I just don't know if there is a large enough "scale" following to make it a viable class. '

Lastly, I know when I ran contests in the SW.....we didn't have enough time in the weekend to add an additional class. Avg contests were 45-55 people. Adding another class would mean one less round for everyone else to fit it all in.