Quiet @NALL 2016 Part 2
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Bartman
Defender of the Noob!
Here's the info from their website
JOE NALL WEEK 2016 – QUIET IS THE WORD! Part 2
Well, we certainly got lots of attention with Part 1 of “Joe Nall Week 2016 – Quiet is the Word!” It seems that our carefully worded (for clarity) communication was not very clear at all. As a result, the internet has come alive with individual interpretations of our intent. Come on guys and girls, you know us too well to think that a group that routinely goes all out to make certain you have the time of your life and enjoy the very best of modeling is suddenly going torequire all kinds of expensive do-dads and exotic rules. Our intent in the previous article was to inform you of a needed change for the next Joe Nall and suggest ways to make our models less irritating to those nearby that may not share our love of endless RC noise. Triple Tree has great neighbors. They like us and we like them. With our growing Triple Tree events, it is imperative that our relationship with those living nearby remain cordial. In the past, the Joe Nall event had a neighborly experience that didn’t turn out well at our old location. They complained and left us with no choice but to cancel the event or move. Thru the generosity of Mr. Pat and the hard work of many, many dedicated volunteers, a new location (Triple Tree) was the result and Joe Nall Week continued at a new, spectacular location. We cannot and will NOT allow that process to begin again. Mr. Pat, our guests and our volunteers have WAY too much invested to potentially lose Triple Tree and Joe Nall Week again to noise complaints.
Joe Nall is, by far, the largest, busiest and longest running Triple Tree event of the year. It’s also the noisiest. As some internet posters have noted, we do have full scale events and full scales do make noise but most of our full scale arrivals are small, low powered models that arrive and depart a single time for each event. Our full scale pilots are constantly reminded of our neighbors and specific “no-fly zones” are posted on our website to protect the areas around our neighbors. To be clear, this noise issue, at this time, is a Joe Nall issue.
So, what’s the issue? The answer is simple. Our own Triple Tree personnel have noticed for years that there is a very IRRITATING sound emanating from this event. We know this IRRITATING sound is caused by a small number of pilots and their planes. Through the years, we have begged, pleaded, counseled and tried to educate these pilots on quiet flying; all to no avail as it continues. So, for Joe Nall 2016, there is only one requirement … it is non-negotiable and will be enforced.
THAT REQUIREMENT IS THAT JOE NALL 2016 MUST BE THE QUIETEST EVER!
A recent AMA study states, and we agree, that the majority of this IRRITATING noise is caused by “PROP RIPPING”. The sound carries for tremendous distances and is a potential real source of irritation for those living beyond our property lines. Obviously, other factors can cause additional noise but make no mistake; PROP RIPPING is the primary source of what we view as THE potentially troublesome noise and is the focus of our efforts. WE would certainly appreciate anything our guests can do to make their models even quieter but, for prop ripping, more conservative throttle management or in the worst case, a three bladed prop should take care of the issue.
What about our monitoring? After much discussion, we have determined that DB monitoring as described in the AMA study really fails our needs as it is complicated, distance and height sensitive, requires expensive equipment and doesn’t accurately measure the “Irritation” factor. So, we’re looking into possible solutions ranging from the ultra simple (line judges) to our dream solution (an iPad app that measures frequencies and identifies the irritating range. This one could be made available to the entire modeling community). We are working on the iPad solution so if there are any app designers that would be willing to help, we’d sure like to hear from you!
We would like to hear from any of you that have had a similar issue and found great solutions. We welcome your ideas and input. Please feel free to email any suggestions to:
Rob Traynham
fltlvl490@gmail.com
Thanks for your help in this very important matter.
JOE NALL WEEK 2016 – QUIET IS THE WORD! Part 2
Well, we certainly got lots of attention with Part 1 of “Joe Nall Week 2016 – Quiet is the Word!” It seems that our carefully worded (for clarity) communication was not very clear at all. As a result, the internet has come alive with individual interpretations of our intent. Come on guys and girls, you know us too well to think that a group that routinely goes all out to make certain you have the time of your life and enjoy the very best of modeling is suddenly going torequire all kinds of expensive do-dads and exotic rules. Our intent in the previous article was to inform you of a needed change for the next Joe Nall and suggest ways to make our models less irritating to those nearby that may not share our love of endless RC noise. Triple Tree has great neighbors. They like us and we like them. With our growing Triple Tree events, it is imperative that our relationship with those living nearby remain cordial. In the past, the Joe Nall event had a neighborly experience that didn’t turn out well at our old location. They complained and left us with no choice but to cancel the event or move. Thru the generosity of Mr. Pat and the hard work of many, many dedicated volunteers, a new location (Triple Tree) was the result and Joe Nall Week continued at a new, spectacular location. We cannot and will NOT allow that process to begin again. Mr. Pat, our guests and our volunteers have WAY too much invested to potentially lose Triple Tree and Joe Nall Week again to noise complaints.
Joe Nall is, by far, the largest, busiest and longest running Triple Tree event of the year. It’s also the noisiest. As some internet posters have noted, we do have full scale events and full scales do make noise but most of our full scale arrivals are small, low powered models that arrive and depart a single time for each event. Our full scale pilots are constantly reminded of our neighbors and specific “no-fly zones” are posted on our website to protect the areas around our neighbors. To be clear, this noise issue, at this time, is a Joe Nall issue.
So, what’s the issue? The answer is simple. Our own Triple Tree personnel have noticed for years that there is a very IRRITATING sound emanating from this event. We know this IRRITATING sound is caused by a small number of pilots and their planes. Through the years, we have begged, pleaded, counseled and tried to educate these pilots on quiet flying; all to no avail as it continues. So, for Joe Nall 2016, there is only one requirement … it is non-negotiable and will be enforced.
THAT REQUIREMENT IS THAT JOE NALL 2016 MUST BE THE QUIETEST EVER!
A recent AMA study states, and we agree, that the majority of this IRRITATING noise is caused by “PROP RIPPING”. The sound carries for tremendous distances and is a potential real source of irritation for those living beyond our property lines. Obviously, other factors can cause additional noise but make no mistake; PROP RIPPING is the primary source of what we view as THE potentially troublesome noise and is the focus of our efforts. WE would certainly appreciate anything our guests can do to make their models even quieter but, for prop ripping, more conservative throttle management or in the worst case, a three bladed prop should take care of the issue.
What about our monitoring? After much discussion, we have determined that DB monitoring as described in the AMA study really fails our needs as it is complicated, distance and height sensitive, requires expensive equipment and doesn’t accurately measure the “Irritation” factor. So, we’re looking into possible solutions ranging from the ultra simple (line judges) to our dream solution (an iPad app that measures frequencies and identifies the irritating range. This one could be made available to the entire modeling community). We are working on the iPad solution so if there are any app designers that would be willing to help, we’d sure like to hear from you!
We would like to hear from any of you that have had a similar issue and found great solutions. We welcome your ideas and input. Please feel free to email any suggestions to:
Rob Traynham
fltlvl490@gmail.com
Thanks for your help in this very important matter.
Bartman
Defender of the Noob!
Thanks for posting that @ChickenBalls !
ChickenBalls
"Cool Guy"
Jetpainter
640cc Uber Pimp
The use of the word "irritating" does fit prop rip for the most part. For me it's one of those things where just a little bit for a second is okay and some times sounds kind of cool, and at other times you think your ears are going to bleed.
There was a guy at our field with a Hangar 9 Ultimate that only knew one throttle setting, KILL! It was wide open from takeoff to just before final. It was the loudest prop ripping thing you ever heard. Irritating doesn't come close to describing that one.
There was a guy at our field with a Hangar 9 Ultimate that only knew one throttle setting, KILL! It was wide open from takeoff to just before final. It was the loudest prop ripping thing you ever heard. Irritating doesn't come close to describing that one.
sweetpea
100cc
Don't most people just put throttle on a on/off switch....similar to pylon racers? Could of swore that was standard practice with what I see at most fields. I've been doing it wrong all these years
toysforbigboys
70cc twin V2
awesome...that was the good news I needed to hear today...None of my planes prop rip so I am good to go next year 
JOE NALL 2016
JOE NALL 2016
3daviator
50cc
Agreed, and we love this Hobby. Imagine how irritating it is to someone who thinks we're a bunch of losers!
Hopefully people take it seriously next yr so the ones policing it don't have to confront anyone.